Welcome to "The 'Cult' of In Your Face!"

WELCOME TO "THE 'CULT' OF IN YOUR FACE!"
I was just watching Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer and David Brooks. And, it was an interesting study of Brooks "talking down" to Obama supporters in a kind of lame-but-paternal manner. In short, if I could take a little license and paraphrase him, he was calling us (Obama supporters) a little cultish, a little too intense; in short he was saying: Lighten up a bit. Stop acting 'cultish.' Stop being the 'ones you've been waiting for,' since that literally/really means: 'You've been waiting for yourself.' (For a moment, I even chuckled at Brooks' comment.)

I understand that. (When you're a vociferous supporter of a cause, whatever it is, it can turn other folks off. Hell, the opposition is now exploiting this depth of support of Obama's supporters versus McCain's supporters, attempting to spin it--more like grossly contort it--into a negative via a satirical t.v. commercial, where they compare Obama with visuals of Charlton Heston in his role as Moses.)

In some perverse way, I think there's some validity to Brooks' somewhat condescending statements. Perhaps it is the fervor with which we support our candidate, certainly when it's compared to the loyalty and depth of support of those that claim they're supporting McSame. Maybe we are scaring some folks with our voracity. It's certainly a statistical fact, based upon recent polling results, that Obama's supporters are a hell of a lot more excited about his candidacy than McCain's supporters.

I know it's a revolutionary concept, but maybe that's because we have the truth on our side?

FROM VORACITY TO VERACITY.
So, what I propose is that we make a concerted effort to change that VORACITY to VERACITY. Paraphrasing Webster's, voracity, meaning 'the desire to devour,' with veracity, meaning 'truthfulness.'

So, putting it another way, I'm proposing that it's in our best interests, if we really wish to win in November, that Obama supporters evolve from their mentality of wanting to devour the competition (perhaps this being a holdover sentiment from the primary race), to simply putting out the truth about various realities that will end up being the result if Obama is not the victor come November.

It is these truths which we must get in the face of the public in the ensuing 90-plus days if we expect to win the White House for the next term. Making or keeping this personal, obviously, means we're not focusing upon the greater truths. When you look at the race in this fashion, it's easy to understand why the Republicans (aided by the corporate MSM, who are primarily interested in keeping this race close, moreso than anything else) are so eager to pass right on over the issues and focus on making Obama "the issue," instead.

For the next 90-some-odd-days, you may refer to me as a member of the "Cult of In Your Face." In short, if what I wrote on the evening of June 3rd, "Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Obama Now?" was a little too emotional or "loud" for Republican and Independent voter consumption (I was speaking to fellow Democrats then; now I'm speaking to everyone), then l'm going to modulate it slightly for easier mental digestion. But, make no mistake about it, the volume of my voice might be a little more calm (I'll even whisper it if that will make my audience more 'comfortable') than it was when I first wrote those words 60 days ago; but the truths remain constant. But, like the lies that are repeated until they become the truth, we can repeat the truth until it is understood to be the truth, too! So, here are those words from June 3rd, again, this time in "modulated" form:

Do you really want four more years of Republican rule?

Do you really want four more years of  ongoing, top-down, national economic misdirection  and ineffective leadership that was most recently described by former Bush Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill as: "A blind man in a dark room looking for a black hat?"

Do you really want four more years of a financial services sector devoid of regulatory enforcement?

Do you really want four more years of welfare for the rich?

Do you really want four more years of rampant inflation and unemployment?

Do you really want four more years of the rich getting richer while everybody else struggles to pay the mortgage, to pay the rent and to put food on their table (if they are even able to do that now)?

Do you really want four more years of lip service--and nothing else--for substantive federal support of alternative energy initiatives, where the only "solution" is to shortsightedly and wantonly "Drill! Drill! Drill!" in our oceans and in other areas where big oil had chosen not to drill in years past?

Do you really want four more years of obscene oil industry profits?

Do you really want four more years of the rest of the world perceiving the U.S. as negatively as they did during the Bush Administration?

Do you really want four more years of "Shoot-first-ask-questions-later?" diplomacy like we had when we entered into the Iraq conflict?

Do you really want four more years of Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan, Pakistan and throughout the world?

Do you really want four more years of out-of-control healthcare costs, with more than 40 million Americans uninsured?

Do you really want four more years of the U.S. being somewhere around the 30th best country on the planet when it comes to infant mortality?

Do you really want four more years of challenges to Roe v. Wade?

Do you really want four more years of Republican control over our Supreme Court appointees?

Do you really want four more years of a Judicial Branch, led by a Department of Justice that's more interested in political thuggery than real justice?

Do you really want four more years of irreversible depletion of our ozone layer?

Do you really want more of McSame?

Reiterating my vote for the campaign slogan for the next 96 days, a paraphrase of a quote from Albert Einstein--the greatest thinker in many generations--who said it best:


"The definition of insanity: repeating the same action and expecting a different result."

So, FWIW, that's my little dose of Sunday inspiration.

Maybe Brooks is right. It's not what we're saying, but how we're saying it. I'm down with that. No problem. The truth is the truth; no matter what its tone and no matter how it's amplified (or not). And, some people don't suffer the truth well when others are constantly shouting about it. So, I'll lower the volume a touch going forward.

Turning an old saying on its head, I'm going to spin the Rethug concept of "A lie becomes the truth if it's repeated often enough," into: "The truth is still the truth if you finally hear and understand what's being said."

I propose that we keep repeating these "truths."

Contrary to the Nicholson outburst in a A Few Good Men, Republicans and Independents "(We) can handle the truth" if they're reminded about it often enough.

At the end of the day, the truth is that I am a member of a cult. It's called: "The Cult of In Your Face" ...with "the truth" every damn day until November 4th.

I will be in your face. ("You" know who "you" are.)

However, I will make a point to speak a little more softly going forward. I promise.

Is that better?

Can you hear me now?

Will you be in their faces, too?



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Tips/flames? Because the truth... (2.00 / 11)

...can become the reality once in awhile, too!


by bobswern on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 04:05:14 PM EST

Re: Tips/flames? Because the truth... (2.00 / 2)

The phrasing of these questions is so insulting.

It assumes that YOU know how things really are, and the person you're addressing, is a hapless, naive, ignorant child, who needs to be yelled at so that s/he doesn't do a bad bad thing.  Let's get in people's faces and insist that WE know the truth.  WTF?  This is America, you can bully a person and get in their face all day long, and s/he is free to go right in that voting booth and cast a ballot against you and all the obnoxious attitudes you stand for.

I could hardly think of a worse way to argue in favor of Democrats if I tried.


by daria g on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:52:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Are you a McCain troll? (none / 0)

I just looked at some of your other comments, randomly, and they all have the same theme:

-belligerence
-indignance
-obnoxiousness

Do you do "nice" here? Or, is offensive your only style?

"The questions," which you criticize here, were, essentially, the exact same words which were featured as the most highly recommended and featured diary the evening of June 3rd, both here and on Daily Kos. This was the last Primary night of the year, if you recall--the night Obama obtained enough delegates to be named "the presumptive nominee."

Collectively, this post received approximately 1300 comments, and roughly 1000 rec's, virtually all from Progressive Dems.

The questions exemplify the reasons why you shouldn't re-elect the same party that's caused our country so much heartache and devastation over the past eight years.

Who are you voting for in November?


by bobswern on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:33:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

One more minor detail... (none / 0)

...it appears you totally misread the diary and don't understand its intent.

The idea here is to stop screaming at people, and to quietly explain to them various truths, in an effort to encourage them to vote for our nominee in November.

In fact, it's the exact opposite of what you're accusing me of in your hastily-written rant, immediately above.

But, don't let me stop you...looks like you're having fun!


by bobswern on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:36:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are you a McCain troll? (none / 0)

Ah well, it seems belligerence is in the eye of the beholder.

I left Daily Kos because I was tired of "in your face" being the approach to everything, especially dissent of any kind.


by daria g on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:46:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are you a McCain troll? (none / 0)

Also, whether I know who I'll vote for, or whether I don't know, or whether I'm undecided or not, or whether I won't vote: these things are my business and no one else's.  At some point, I might choose to say some things publicly about that, but not in response to demands.  


by daria g on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:02:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So, you refuse to acknowledge... (none / 0)

...your preferences or your positions, but you're on a political blog throwing out misplaced/misguided accusations, right and left.

I'd call your response about as lame as I've ever read on just about any blog...anywhere.

Downright childish...if you refuse to signify your positions, then you really are just here to cause trouble.

You contribute absolutely not one iota of positive/constructive energy with your presence now.

What's it like to be here with a purpose as negative as that which you're putting forth now?

I feel quite sad for you. Truly. You're wasting your time with all this misdirected, negative energy. What's your point if you won't even acknowledge your preferences and positions?

You might as well just walk around with a sign on your forehead stating: "Disgruntled human being. Stay out of my way!"

Oh, and for the record, the fact is, I was a very ardent/vociferous Clinton supporter, as well. (Up until June 3rd.)


by bobswern on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 04:18:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's a defense mechanism (none / 0)

He's basically saying he's going to continue being an in your face member of the Obama cult but now it's about 'truth' so you're no longer allowed to criticize him and if you do McCain will win and it will be all your fault for having the nerve to actually expect more from Obama when blind obedience would have worked just fine.


by james richardson on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 12:46:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We Obama supporters do have a problem (2.00 / 5)

We commend a candidate who will increase our soft power abroad yet we are pretty bad at wielding soft power at home, in our domestic political system.

We need to improve on that.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 04:10:48 PM EST

Soft Power (2.00 / 5)

Nicely put.

The desire to shout is natural.  It is also destructive, almost all the time.  It become destructive all of the time if you do it very often.  Your voice loses veracity and exchanges it for volume.

Dogs and children teach us how we should speak to each other.  I practiced my parenting on a pit bull terrier, starting when I was 18.  It was clear that I had a responsibility to make completely sure that this wild and wooly beast was not a threat to anyone else, and a parental responsibility to ensure that he had a happy life of his own.  The "shout" part of parenting, I discovered, is a rare but necessary component, but the love and cuddles part of parental diplomacy is the other 99% of the job.  The Good Cop is there every day, and he's a joy to be around.  The Bad Cop shows up once in a blue moon - when you have screwed up royaly - and let's you know in no uncertain terms specifically how badly you've screwed up.

You dads know what I mean (I'll let the moms speak for themselves).

Right now there are too many Bad Cop Democrats around.  We're all being them too frequently (if we were parenting someone would have called Child Welfare by now).  They're shouting about how stupid Republicans are (and thereby catching in their net-of-derision everyone who has ever voted Republican).  They're shouting about how stupid other Democrats are.  The effectiveness of a well-deserved Shout is being lost because it is being diluted.

Good wake up call, Bob, Reaper.

-chris

"end up like a dog that's been beat too much, spend have your life just a coverin' up" - Bruce Springsteen


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 05:53:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bullshit. (2.00 / 1)

We need more bad-cop Democrats.  Not necessarily as the president, but we need them anyway, some angry prophets to speak out and condemn things like torture and unnecessary war and to do it with moral authority.

A couple of years ago, I was at a post-election rally for a congressional campaign that I worked on, and there was a guy there saying something I have heard many progressives say, that there is no such thing as good and evil, that the world really comes in shades of gray, that Republicans don't understand it.

But I'm one of those foolish people that does sometimes see the world in black and white.  I see George W. Bush and his administration as evil.  They fuckin' tortured people.  They did it in our name.  They tried to make it part of our legal code, our constitution, something respectable for public debate.  That's evil.  Trying to be fair about it and paint it as dark gray doesn't do the issue justice.

That's why I love Cindy Sheehan.  When everybody else was temporizing about the war, she, this small nobody, a grieving mother, believed in what she was doing enough to camp herself out on a dust road in Crawford Texas to say to Bush, even by forcing him to avoid her, "See what you have done."

I'm sure that disaffected many people.  I know it disaffected my own asshole senator, Feinstein, who publicly condemned Sheehan in a diary on HuffingtonPost and in an email that I got back after I wrote her a scating email.  

Somebody has to be the fire in the belly to create change.


by Dumbo on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 06:35:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not more Bad Cops, better Bad Cops. (2.00 / 2)

Democrats are so good at shouting that it becomes completely ignorable.  That's when you know you've taken the wrong course, and it's a large component of what made me (a born-and-bred Liberal) leave the party in disgust.  I need every half-baked simplistic ideal blasted into my ear by someone who is looking to gain Brownie Points for being More Caring Than the Next Person like I need an unauthorized enema.

I don't think I was alone in abandoning the Left over that, either.  I've certain had many people agree with me on this point.

Donna's insane sister shouted at her children from birth to (well, to this day).  We used to worry about that a great deal.  What happened, though, is that the vast majority of the time her kids just got used to it - "that's just the way she talks" - and paid no attention to her.  They're all grown up now and not demonstrably more screwed up than the rest of us (though she certainly blew a lot of chances to actually help them grow up).  I think every one of us can think of parents we know that do much the same thing.  "YOU STOP THAT RIGHT NOW OR I'M TAKING YOU HOME!!!" (no you're not. you'll say the same thing five more times then give up).

No, Democrats are not at all short of shouters.  In fact we have so many that the rest of the world either ignores our shouting or derides it - and understandably so.  What we are short of is people who shout rarely, but who - when they shout - people pay attention.

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 07:43:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We were definitely short of them in 2002 (2.00 / 2)

and in 2003, 2004, and 2005. It must have been very lonely for the Dixie Chicks when so few stuck up for them.

I'm a bit different than the usual bleeding-heart.  For one thing, I'm not a bleeding-heart. I'm a somewhat unsympathetic type of person, to be honest.  I'm not an idealist, either.  I can't stand idealists.  I also used to be a Republican, as I have explained many times.  Back in the 80s, I was a direct-mail fundraiser.  

So let me explain why I am against torture and the war.

I am against torture because it is DISHONORABLE.  I don't care that much about the pain the victims of our torture experience.  They can torture and kill each other all they want. It's when our people do it in our name, MY DAUGHTER'S NAME, that I feel outraged and robbed of the dignity and honor I experienced growing up in the Cold War and learning that we were supposedly different than the Nazis we had defeated just years before.

We put the Nazi war criminals on trial for their crimes.  That was no favor to them, but it was a great honor to us and our restraint and our embrace of democratic values.

Bush said, fuck all that.  He took all that from my daughter.  So no sympathy for the plight of prisoners is required to understand my fierce outrage over this.  They destroyed something good because they couldn't appreciate it.  Stopping the torture won't be able to fully repair the damage they have done us.  

Somebody needed to stand up and say, no, this is wrong, this is not American, this is not honorable.  To this day, I can think of a few scattered voices, but we have no great voice standing up to say, no, stop this.  

Ironically, the loudest voice until a couple of years ago was (gasp) John McCain.  And then the Republican strategists got to him and he flip-flopped.  Too bad we have so few at such a high level willing to step up to the plate and denounce torture in the kind of unyielding terms that he used years before the MCA flip-flop.

It seems to me that this is an area where the Democratic Party could stand some improvement.  A little more yelling, PLEASE.


by Dumbo on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 08:11:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We're in agreement, then (none / 0)

Same same from me about the torture issue.

The only point we are kind of debating is how to get that message across.  I think we have had lots of faint shouting and very little effective shouting.

Of course the best shouting never raises its voice.  I have this little Rambo daydream of a meeting between Obama and Ahmadinnerjacket where, after explaining the situation, President Obama looks at the little weasel and says: "So, go run off and tell your masters that they can choose the way out of this mess or have glassy holes poked in your country wherever they may be." (yes, I know, this is both an unlikely scenario and not the way it would go down, but you know what I mean).

Sheehan has done better shouting with her sitting than the Uhuru News bozos did in St. Petes on Friday.  They just looked like clueless and causeless rebels and did more to set their goals back than to move them forward.  They were the Green Mile version of Bad Cops - cruel and stupid with lots of smoke and no fire.

Better Bad Cops.  Scary, quite, no-bullshit Bad Cops.  Bad Cops that make you want to shut the hell up and be good just by standing there smiling at you... ;~)

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 08:45:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Not more Bad Cops, better Bad Cops. (none / 0)

yes, who are these shouting democrats? the only people i know who shout are Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Pat Robertson, etc.

i'd love to see a shouting Dem. Olbermann may be the closest we have to one.

david brooks is an idiot. don't buy into their hype that our positive is really a negative. the only people criticizing obama and his supporters about this are republicans and PUMAs, who are simply put, incredibly jealous.


by Lolis on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 10:41:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's just the thing, they are spread wide (2.00 / 1)

and shallow.

You won't meet a great deal of conservatives who will shout (and remember we're being metaphorical in part, here) about what everyone should be doing, but you will meet lots and lots of liberals.  It comes with the territory, at least in part: liberals generally want to change things and conservatives generally want them to stay the same.

But the liberal shouting becomes haranguing, early and often.  And haranguing breeds deafness.

Being less metaphorical, actual well-timed Shouting would be more effective than the deafening drone of haranguing.

The point of the diary is that we need to spend less time haranguing and more time building and offering solid arguments.  Putting them forth the vast majority of the time without the condescending scorn that I have regrettably seen on the faces and heard in the voices and read in the words of too many of my (now) fellow Democrats during this election cycle.  

That way, when the time comes for real-life Shouting, it is as a punctuation to a consistent presentation of policies and fact, not just an escalation in the volume of a harangue.

-chris

A rant (also called harangue or declamation) is a monologue that does not present a well-researched and calm argument; rather, it is typically an attack on an idea, a person or an institution, and very often lacks proven claims.

ha·rangue - [huh-rang], noun - any long, pompous speech or writing of a tediously hortatory or didactic nature; sermonizing lecture or discourse.


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 11:54:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

On the money, Chris! Dead, solid perfect. n/t (2.00 / 1)


by bobswern on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 11:57:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Bullshit. (none / 0)

The Repubicans want to keep expectations low.
Don't get your hopes up. No passion please.
by Politicalslave on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 09:39:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Awesome post (2.00 / 1)

and recced. I think a bit of retrospection is always in order.

However, I personally will not accept any opinion from Mr Brooks, unless it is based in verifiable fact. I do not trust his objectivity enough to decide if our behavior is something he really thinks we should alter (as an independent observer), or something he really hopes we will alter (as an opponent).

Certainly it's odd, in a week where even the MSM has focused on McCain's schizophrenic attack patterns, for Brooks to focus on the fervor of Obama's supporters. It seems to be that he might be reinforcing the "celebrity" meme that McCain is pushing.

Finally, "We are the ones we have been waiting for" is a slogan celebrating local action and self-initiative. It's not really that obtuse, and I can't believe Brooks doesn't understand it. Perhaps I shouldn't expect him to act like he gets it, but I'm not sure his obtuseness detracts from the slogan itself.


by Neef on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 07:38:38 PM EST

"We are the ones we have been waiting for (2.00 / 2)

I took it to be an existential statement.

I translate it as:  We cannot continue to wait for somebody else to come along and fix things.  We are the ones that will have to fix things.  If we have been waiting for somebody, that somebody is us.  

There was nothing self-congratulatory about it.


by Dumbo on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 08:16:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I took it as (2.00 / 1)

"We are the ones who can fix things", which is more motivation than bald statement of fact.

In either case, Brooks' interpretation seems pretty much the most ridiculous deconstruction you could make from the statement.


by Neef on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 09:52:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He's not the brightest bulb (none / 0)

on the tree by any stretch.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 11:49:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You want to see a cult, Mr. Brooks? (2.00 / 2)

Part Deux....



by Glaurung on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 08:05:25 PM EST

Well (2.00 / 1)

To answer the "Do you want" questions, I say "No, I don't want any of those".  Am I going to vote for Obama-NO!


by handsomegent on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 09:33:17 PM EST

thanks (2.00 / 2)

we hadn't guessed


by upstate girl on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 10:14:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: thanks (none / 0)

You're welcome.


by handsomegent on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:43:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Well then (none / 0)

bugger off.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 11:51:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well then (none / 0)

same to you.


by handsomegent on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:46:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And you can take (none / 0)

your ameneunsis with you.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 10:52:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "The 'Cult' of In Your Face!" (2.00 / 1)

That list could be used very effectively with disaffected Republicans. You'd have to go through it and remove some of the items, like the reference to the supreme court or roe v. wade. There's a lot on that list that some Republicans and many conservative independents would agree with.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 10:48:54 PM EST

I already removed gun control... (none / 0)

...from the original posting, on June 3rd (and, on a personal level, gun control is one my bigger issues/concerns).

But, yes, depending upon whom one's addressing, it'd be up to the individual's discretion what to use, of course!


by bobswern on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 10:56:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Um... (2.00 / 1)

You say you have truth on your side, but you never provide any.  Instead, you pose a series of questions to the reader, asking their opinions on various matters.  Opinions are not truths, they're opinions.  The only rationale your provide in this diary for voting for Obama is that he's not as bad as McCain.  Republicans tried that in 2006 and they failed miserably.  We should have higher expectations of our leaders than being the lesser of two evils or else the lesser of two evils is the only type of leader we're ever going to get.  

If you want truth on your side then provide some.  Otherwise, this election really is only about Obama.  Not that that's a bad thing; it's not.  But pretending that's not the case is a bad thing, and more than a little counter-productive to your cause.


by james richardson on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 11:14:43 PM EST

Re: Um... (2.00 / 1)

Otherwise, this election really is only about Obama
No, this election is about Obama vs McCain. It's about the issues the questions in this diary mention. It's about a broken health care system, wealth inequality, a war is costing us  a trillion dollars, the negative image this country has abroad, the issues of torture and imprisonment without a chance to defend oneself. It's about a lot of things. Obama is on the right side on almost all of them. McCain is on the wrong side. It's as simple as that.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 11:21:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's some truth... (none / 0)

...if you can handle it...

It's about a candidate that was endorsed this week by Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury (O'Neill), and his former Commissioner of the SEC (Donaldson), versus a candidate that acknowledges that he knows little or nothing about the economy.

Do we even need to discuss the scores of other major issues confronting this country today, if there's such a clear consensus as far as issue numero uno is concerned?

Or, does pouring a trillion more dollars into failed foreign military strategies, and continuing our grossly-failed of policy of providing welfare to the rich appeal to you?

There are so many glaringly self-evident truths supporting the case for Obama's election this cycle, that one's IQ would have to be lower than the temperature on a cold winter's day to not understand that reality.

So, if you're satisfied where the current administration's brought us, and you want more of the same, then you should vote for McCain. If you think we can do better, then it's clear that you should vote for Obama.

Me, I just love banging my head against a wall because it feels so good when I STOP.


by bobswern on Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 11:37:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here's some truth... (2.00 / 1)

There are so many glaringly self-evident truths supporting the case for Obama's election this cycle, that one's IQ would have to be lower than the temperature on a cold winter's day to not understand that reality.

Got it - the reasons to support Obama are "self-evident" and everyone who disagrees with you is stupid!

This is why Democrats lose elections.


by daria g on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:42:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

ooh you're so right (2.00 / 1)

Trolling message boards is how you win elections! Keep the hits comin', daria!


by upstate girl on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 02:49:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Looks like this diary's been attacked... (none / 0)

...not just by a troll, but a SUPER TROLL!

I feel so honored!  <snark>


by bobswern on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:39:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ooh you're so right (none / 0)

No, but apparently calling people who disagree with you does.


by james richardson on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:40:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

All one has to do is look... (none / 0)

...at the commenter's history here to obtain the basic, contextual fact that this person's a bit off the deep end, and a true troll.

If you have a problem with this, I'm sorry. But, their history speaks for itself.


by bobswern on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:44:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All one has to do is look... (none / 0)

I just disagree.  I think the way dissent is addressed on the progressive blogs is doing more harm than good.


by daria g on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:59:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Tell me... (none / 0)

...who are you supporting in terms of your intended vote for President in November?

The troll, upthread, hasn't answered this question for me. Thought I'd ask you, too.


by bobswern on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:51:33 AM EST
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oh please (2.00 / 1)

You haven't had a single productive thing to say besides your attempts to stir the pot and get all self-righteous with your own personal soap opera around here. Honestly, just go back and look at your diaries. Each one to a t is some droll and frankly uninspired attempt at needling Obama or Obama supporters or whatever other windmill you're flailing at that day. If you're going to troll, inject some effort in it, you're white noise.


by upstate girl on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:06:16 AM EST
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Is this irony, or what? (none / 0)

Troll diarist is attacking me for "screaming at people," by....screaming at me?

When, in fact, the whole concept of this diary is to stop screaming at folks in order to get them to support Obama, and to just keep repeating truths, with substantiations, where applicable; and, for that to convince others to vote for him come election day.

Ah, the irony of this all!


by bobswern on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 03:42:03 AM EST

Well come on now (2.00 / 1)

You basically just took away their entire reason for being here. Of course they're going to spaz out a little.


by upstate girl on Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 04:07:16 AM EST
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