A Golden Little Nugget

Lately I have been in the doldrums. I am trying to recover from a serious injury and know it is `no politics worth mentioning August`, but I gotta say my almost total lack of interest in the race right now is serious. I haven't felt this low about politics in quite some time.

I am bummed because my favorite blog has become almost unreadable and because my candidate isn't mopping the floor with McCain. Even though Obama was not my first choice, I desperately want him to win this November. More on the former after the fold.

As to the latter, I am stunned that Obama is not doing better in the race at this time. I really have no idea how Clinton would be doing at this point, and could easily imagine that she would be struggling if she were the candidate. I actually think that Obama will come back from this to win the GE no matter who he picks as his VP. My question is by how much does he win? I saw a poll on MSNBC today that Chris Matthews called a golden little nugget. The poll said that half of the people who are currently undecided are/were for Hillary Clinton. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/ As Chuck Todd said on Hardball, the rest of the people who either candidate can get are people who love the Clinton. He went on to say that fully 10% of the electorate would vote for Clinton, but will not vote for Obama. For a truly decisive win this November, Obama needs Clinton.

I will also say that politics has become less interesting since the primaries. It is as if a light went out, and nothing has re-ignited the flame. I believe the choice of a VP candidate could spark a fire unlike any other. Many have written diaries on mydd about the choice for VP in 2008. I agree with those who believe that Obama should and will choose Clinton to be his running mate.

There are numerous reasons why I think Obama should pick Clinton as his Vice President. Other diarist have done an excellent job of pointing out why she is the best choice. I believe choosing her will unify the party as no other candidate could. Choosing her will win him more states than any other candidate. She will help shore up states where Obama is somewhat soft, and she will help make McCain have to work harder to defend his turf. Finally, choosing her will electrify the nation as no other can. Every bit of the political oxygen will be sucked up by this monumental event. I predict that they will immediately jump 10+ points ahead of John McCain and they together will win the GE in a landslide, in votes and in states.

Since Obama returned from Europe, McCain has won each week with steadily improving marks. McCain has somehow come back from each misstep and mistake, stronger and better. This is astonishing to me. The final incredulity I have seen, is how the republicans and Mikheil Saakashvili have been able to turn the crisis in Georgia into a bizarro, cold war world. The only thing worse than bushies total incompetence and impotence in dealing with this crisis, is McCain's reactionary and frightening response to Russia. So why is McCain being taken seriously? Experience. Because he has been around for so long and people think they know him, he is given a pass on sucking.

During the primary, before they starting hitting each other for real, Obama and Clinton seemed to shine a light on each other. A light that was most radiant when they were together.

By choosing Clinton, I believe that Obama will set this race on fire.

When I examine my current political doldrums, I realize that much of it is caused by the continued vitriol between the people who hate, on either side, in these pages. And yes, I do know that the internet is not real life, but those of us who take the time to be here, certainly are the ones who influence others in real life. I know I do this constantly. I do not think that the vast majority of the electorate takes the time to educate themselves on political matters. This is why the media is so (unfortunately) influential and important. And why it is important for anyone who is interested to; get educated, get involved, and pass it along to everyone we meet.

Unfortunately, I no longer find mydd to be a place where I learn and teach. I do not have time for the silly crap that clutters up the diaries. Who needs to endlessly rehash things that do not matter. I will support Obama no matter who he chooses. I will vote for him even if he chooses Hagel or another republican. I will have to hold my nose and mouth while doing it, but will have to wait until this actually occurs for me to comment upon this notion any further. My point is that Obama and Mickey Mouse would be better than McCain.

I do not see this happening, because I think that Obama will choose Clinton as his running mate. I think he will do this because he is that bloody well smart and good at this. I also truly think he is Lincolnesque and will not have any trouble choosing his greatest adversary as his running mate.



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i am reccing this diary... (2.00 / 4)

not because i would like to see her on the ticket.  i don't - but because:

It is as if a light went out

sums up my feelings quite nicely.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:37:43 PM EST

Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 7)

Thanks. I was describing how I felt to my Mom and that came out. My Mother inspires a lot of my ideas.

Holli


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:47:39 PM EST

Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 7)

Play nice everyone.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:48:19 PM EST

I hope you don't... (2.00 / 3)

Leave us for good. We can't afford all the good people we have left at MyDD.


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:59:31 PM EST
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Re: I hope you don't... (2.00 / 3)

I have still been lurking quite a bit and reading a lot of good diaries. It's just tough to rationalize spending so much time weeding through the muck to get to the good stuff.

I wonder where all the good ones have gone...


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:20:58 PM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 1)

I refuse to play nice! I will attack!

With statistics.

% of Democrats voting for the Democratic presidential candidate:

  1. Obama - 83% (7% still undecided)
  2. Kerry - 89%
  3. Gore - 86% (2% Nader)
  4. Clinton - 84% (5% Perot)
  5. Clinton - 77% (17% Perot)

I'm not seeing where a 10% bump or huge party unity gains would be made. Obama's at or above Bill Clinton's in-party support and approaching Kerry/Gore levels. Split the 7% in half, you get Gore. Take more, you get Kerry. Everyone on this list except for Obama has enjoyed the normal warm fuzzies that are normally generated in the post-convention high, so he may be closer than expected.

I expressed this earlier, but I don't see party disunity at the moment. I simply see a much more vocal minority that is getting attention.


by TCQuad on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:33:03 PM EST
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The link you provided for Obama's nos (2.00 / 2)

had a whole section answering your last paragraph.


Primary Divisions Continue for Democrats

While 72% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters who backed Hillary Clinton for the party's nomination say they will support Barack Obama this fall, a significant number of holdouts remain. Among the 28% who say they will not support Obama on November 4th, 18% say they will support McCain , 7% don't yet know who they will support and 3% plan to back another candidate.

The Obama campaign has made no significant headway among former Clinton backers over the past two months. The voting preferences of Clinton's supporters are virtually identical to earlier polls in June and July.

By comparison, fully 88% of Republican and Republican-leaning registered voters who backed a candidate other than John McCain for the GOP nomination say they will support McCain this fall. Just 6% favor Obama. Support for McCain in the general election has consistently been just as strong among Republicans who didn't back him for the nomination as it is among those who did. By contrast, among Democrats, Clinton's primary supporters are 21 points less likely than Obama's primary supporters to back Obama in the general election (72% vs. 93%).
Despite these internal divisions, Barack Obama continues to have substantially more strong supporters in the general election than does John McCain. Overall, 27% of registered voters describe themselves as supporting Obama strongly, while just 17% say they back McCain strongly. This imbalance is driven by the overwhelming enthusiasm for Obama from those who backed him in the primaries.

http://people-press.org/report/443/presi dential-race-draws-even


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 12:01:09 AM EST
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Re: The link you provided for Obama's nos (2.00 / 3)

Thanks again. You were very quick with that :~D


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 12:08:34 AM EST
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Re: The link you provided for Obama's nos (2.00 / 2)

That's true; however, it's interesting to note that even given the figures quoted, McCain only has 87% total support from Republicans. I've said previously in a reply to CG that I think Hillary could deliver the 7% of her voters that are still undecided, but it was unlikely that she'd deliver those who are for McCain now (the hardcore PUMAs). That 7% (which is 3.5% of the Democratic party, since Obama/Clinton split 50/50) would put McCain and Obama on equal in-party footing.

The question isn't whether we should court those voters, it's simply cost/benefit as to whether guaranteeing their vote with Clinton yields a net increase in votes compared to taking a majority  (through emphasis of issues and Clinton campaigning) while also attracting issue-based independents with a different VP candidate.

(Standard disclaimer: she would be a good VP choice, but not for reasons of party unity.)


by TCQuad on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 12:15:45 AM EST
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Re: The link you provided for Obama's nos (2.00 / 2)

Screw the pumas, and their buds.

I want Hillary because we need a TWO prong attack going at McCain...

I want someone SCREAMING about economic unfairness, and telling folks WHO all those folks in the shadows behind McCain are, HOW THOSE PEOPLE SCREWED THEM....

I want her to RIP TO SHREDS Mitt or Pawlenty, or (please god make it so) Joe Lieberman in the Vice Presidential debate so completly, they take them off in a stretcher....

Those morans at No Quarter can go to hell, the real Clinton supporters are people like me at this point, cause I am STILL a democrat...

And so are they.

So, I am praying Obama makes or has made that call.

Again, I still think Wes is the best man to balance the ticket, but after he and Hillary, almost anyone else does nothing for Obama, he is on his own after that...


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 12:27:22 AM EST
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Re: The link you provided for Obama's nos (2.00 / 3)

Agreed. She is one hell of a fighter and I cannot wait to see her shred McCain. A friend of mine also pointed out some time ago that Clinton can take a hit like no one he has ever seen. She is Rocky and will have Obama's back.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 12:35:22 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 2)

 I rec and Mojo all VEEP diaries.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:54:45 PM EST

My Brain always make me proud.... (none / 0)


by louisprandtl on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:08:24 PM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 1)

No, no, no, no.  You're not going anywhere!  I can't allow it.

Chin up.  :)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:02:52 PM EST

Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 2)

Yeah...I'm hoping that the convention improves things around here. I am sure it will lift my spirits no matter what happens.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:17:40 PM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (none / 0)

In the next few days you will get all the excitement you can handle. REC


by canadian on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 02:01:29 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 1)

I think you are correct. I can already feel the shit eating grin starting to twitch it's way out. Course that just could be the excellant pharmaceuticals I finally got. My ankle is not in pain for the first time in two weeks. :~D


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 02:06:43 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (none / 0)

Well I have a grin too because I will soon be back in Canada but I think your grin is bigger with a little help. Have fun (Politicalslave)


by canadian on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 02:59:11 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (none / 0)

Howah, you rascal. Have fun back in Canada. What part? I like Canada.

Holli


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:11:35 AM EST
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don't take this wrong, but your title (2.00 / 1)

made R Kelly video's flash through my mind LOL, yes I am weird ;p


by zerosumgame on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:06:57 PM EST

Re: don't take this wrong, but your title (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, Matthews said it, but it reminded me of the Bravo show Flipping Out. That show is hysterical.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:12:33 PM EST
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Re: don't take this wrong, but your title (none / 0)

heh heh just happened to have Tivo'ed the Boondocks episode about his trial ;p


by zerosumgame on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29:30 PM EST
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Sorry to read about your injury. Wish you (2.00 / 2)

a speedy recovery.


by louisprandtl on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:10:47 PM EST

Re: Sorry to read about your injury. Wish you (2.00 / 3)

Thanks, it is appreciated.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:13:45 PM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (none / 0)

To Hillary Clinton - YOU are the ONE WE have been Waiting for

To Barack Obama - Put your EGO aside, make history twice and pick THE ONE that will put the Dems in the Whitehouse.....

Obama/Clinton


by nikkid on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:12:21 PM EST

Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 3)

"To Barack Obama - Put your EGO aside.....

Sigh......

Someone said, Play Nice?

Good advice I think.....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:27:42 PM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 1)

A lot of tunnel vision around here...


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:50:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I like your predictability (none / 0)


by JJE on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 01:17:35 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (none / 0)

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying, maybe it's time to have another original thought to express around here.


by Cincinnatus on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:02:00 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 2)

Well, I am really hoping Obama pulls out a shocker and either Wes or Hillary is VP...

I'm sorry, I just can't get excited about Bayh or Tim K. at this point....

But, short of that, the convention had better look unified, if we give the media the meme that there is STILL a war for the parties soul, we are toast IMHO....


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 12:14:05 AM EST

Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 1)

I agree: Obama definitely needs Clinton. Only not on the ticket.

He needs her to hit the campaign trail and help make the case to her former supporters why they must vote for Barack Obama. He'll be doing his part to convince them along with the rest of the country; it's her job to bring the message directly to that 10% who for whatever reasons will only vote for her. She need to explain clearly why she wants to stay in the Senate and why the country, and the world, needs Barack Obama in the White House.

I'm really hoping Tuesday night signals the start of a forceful Clinton campaign on behalf of Obama. A few joint appearances scattered between now and November can provide some punctuation marks, but mostly, it has to be Hillary stumping hard and bringing the wanderers in her flock home. She owes it to her supporters, to the party, and to the country, to do so with all the energy and conviction she has.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 12:48:19 AM EST

sorry... (none / 0)

quick question - are you suggesting that she has not done what has been asked of her so far?  because i find it highly unlikely that she is setting the agenda of who or where she is stumping on  behalf of obama.

oh and btw - its not 10% its 28%.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 01:23:40 AM EST
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Re: sorry... (2.00 / 1)

Ah, you all just rock. So lithe and quick with the stats. Thank you thank you.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 01:42:22 AM EST
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Re: sorry... (2.00 / 1)

Oh, and btw, I just heard Chuck Todd refer to 11%, but I'll concur that yours is bigger.

I was glad to hear Todd echo my very own words: yes, Obama has to get out to those rural areas where most of that 11% (his number) are located, and introduce himself to those voters. But to bring them back into the fold, it's really up to Hillary now. Those are the people Hillary courted at the very time she turned up her attacks on Obama, convincing them not merely to vote for her, but to NOT to vote for him. As many of us noted with dismay at the time, that was a dangerous game to play.

So now the onus really is on her to bring that flock back home. She has to get out there and somehow convince those voters to whom she had previously said "don't vote for him, he's too elitist, he's not ready to be commander-in-chief, he doesn't love his country as much as McCain" that they should, indeed they must, vote for Barack Obama, that he does understand their concerns, that he is ready to lead and does love his country. She has to show this bloc of voters how much she believes in his candidacy in the most compelling and persuasive ways possible. She exploited an emotional connection with her supporters during the primary; she needs to make that connection now on behalf of Obama.

Granted, for reasons I'll leave alone, a certain percentage of them won't be convinced, but if she works hard, she can bring most of her base (which, as you'll recall, ran most strongly along the spine of Appalachia) back into the Democratic fold.

She can start on Tuesday. She's been given what amounts to a full night of attention in Denver, with Bill getting a spotlight on another night. The media is now sure to be talking as much about them as they will about Obama. The Clintons basically own two nights of media coverage. So it's pretty clear the Obama team has done what was asked of them.

My point is that she needs to do even more than is "asked of her" if she wants to see Obama win. And that means getting out there and working like it's her own race she's running. And if she cares about the issues she stumped for, the issues that you care about, she will.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 02:45:50 AM EST
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with due respect... (none / 0)

for someone that just lectured someone about the primary being over - it sounds like you should take your own advice.  relax, she will continue to do everything she can to ensure a win.  but remember, she lost in the semi final - its now up to obama to win the final.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 02:49:52 AM EST
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Re: with due respect... (2.00 / 1)

respect acknowledged, but I've simply stated some unpleasant though relevant facts, not rehashed past battles. Clinton made an uncomfortable bed back in March and April, and she will have to get back into it and remake it for the sake of her party's and her country's future. I, too, believe she will.

Remember, an election is a team sport. In the final, everyone has to play.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:07:02 AM EST
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Re: with due respect... (2.00 / 1)

Hillary Clinton does take up an exceptional amount of room. She is one of the biggest politicians in the world. I think that this frightens some people, and I will admit that she will be a bigger presence than any other VP in history. My only question is, why is that a bad thing?

I say that Obama is the other biggest politician in the world at this moment, and my feeling is the stage is big enough for the two of them. Now please do not get in a twist. This does not mean that I think she would be the star here. I absolutely believe that Obama is the real deal and that he will in fact be even bigger than Clinton. I believe that Barack Obama could be one of the greatest presidents we have ever had. If he chooses Clinton, he will show himself to be absolutely fearless and and a true leader in every sense.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:07:18 AM EST
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Re: with due respect... (2.00 / 1)

I think Obama's remarks today made it clear that he wants to return the vice presidency to its traditional, Constitutionally-limited role. I have no doubt that he's capable of holding his own next to any political superstar, I just don't believe his campaign will consider it the model of his administration to have to do so.

As far as the reaction goes, you can spin it any number of ways: Sure, he could be seen as a fearless leader. He could also be seen as the exact opposite: Obama running scared agrees to accept Hillary, Obama facing defeat turns to Clintons, Obama capitulates to the PUMAs, Obama dilutes message of change by turning to former president's wife, Obama follows the polls rather than his instincts and chooses Clinton, Obama reveals himself to be less a leader and more a follower of polls and of the Clintons, etc, ad nauseum... see, the game can be played every which way these days. I don't see the upside of even going there, but again, I could be wrong.

What pains me a bit is the sight of so many Hillary supporters here holding to this hope against the odds in these last minutes. There's a part of me that would gladly accept her on the ticket just for their sake, cuz it's going to hurt bad if and when it doesn't happen.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:18:00 AM EST
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Re: with due respect... (2.00 / 1)

I have a feeling it will be viewed by most as incredibly bold and fearless. I do know that the talking bobble heads will love it, and some will try to make it negative and all about her. IMHO, I think it will utterly stun them all senseless, and the first one who returns to consciousness will set the meme for the MSM.

I do think the American people will agree with his choice, as they see this as a fair outcome of the race so far. They will think this, even if they do not vote for him in the GE, but this will strongly improve most voters opinion of Obama. At this point the Clintons are actually very popular and I believe Hillary would be a tremendous assest to the ticket.

Finally in regards to you last point in your comment,

What pains me a bit is the sight of so many Hillary supporters here holding to this hope against the odds in these last minutes. There's a part of me that would gladly accept her on the ticket just for their sake, cuz it's going to hurt bad if and when it doesn't happen.
I guess this is the whole point. I knew this sentiment existed, but until just the past day or so, did not realize how significant and profound an impact this could have on the outcome of the November elections. I just think there are too many reasons to choose her. The difference a mandate can make for a Presidency is everything.

I have enjoyed discussing this with you and admit, rather freely, that you could be way more right on this, than am I.

Cheers.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:45:55 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 1)

I agree. If she is not on the ticket, both she and Bill need to campaign hard for Obama.

It's just that I know quite a few women and men who really do not feel great about Obama. They aren't very political, but are usually Democrats. I am always shocked when I find out they will vote for McCain because they say they know who he is and feel safer with him. I also know these folks will vote for Obama if Clinton is on the ticket.

Now I would never consider these friends PUMA's. They have never heard about PUMA's and when I talk to them about what I am doing on-line, they tell me I need to get out more. They are people who work in the 'helping' professions; social workers, teachers, nurses, etc. They just do not feel that Obama has enough experience. Now I am working on them and will slowly show them why they should not vote for McCain, but I get the impression that there are a lot of people who feel the same way across the country. To me, if this is the case, and I think that the polls show that she would help him the most, why in the heck not pick her? She did almost win after all. I am also certain that if anyone else had come as close as Clinton did, we would not even be having this conversation, because they would be considered a shoe in. Just think if Hillary had won and Obama had come as close a second. I would absolutely say that Clinton would have to pick Obama as her VP. No other reasonable choice available.

Now my speculation about Obama winning more decisively with Clinton is a gut feeling based on 30 years of watching elections and following politics. You may not see it, because you do not like Clinton, but I am convinced that when Obama picks Hillary, it will set the political world on fire. I guess we will all have to wait a couple of days to see if I am a genius or a lunatic.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 01:34:06 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (2.00 / 2)

I like Clinton just fine, and had she run a better campaign and won the Democratic nomination, I'd have had no trouble talking up the Democratic ticket. Granted, I also think that her ticket would have had no choice but to include Obama, rather than throw away all that energy, organization, and money.

But apart from the simplistic math of adding up primary numbers, I see more of a tactical and strategic downside to Clinton's presence on Obama's ticket. I'm concerned about not only the way Obama conducts the rest of the campaign, I also want him to lead effectively in the White House. As I've noted before, the Clintons are true political celebrities, and they'll suck up the media air like two sponges, whether they want to or not. The first woman VP, wife of a former president, Bill back in the White House... it'll be endless. The media, both obsessed with All Things Clinton while also harboring deep-seated contempt for the couple, will make Obama's presidency as much about them as about him, and not to good effect. The distraction could prove devastating. We don't need it; the stakes are too high.

There's a fundamental rule in choosing a VP: the VP must never, ever, ever upstage the president. Hillary, merely by being a Clinton, would, ineveitably.

Obama may yet break that rule, but I doubt it. If he does, it's because the analysis his campaign has done has considered it a risk worth taking. Whatever his decision, I'll support it, because I trust his judgment.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:01:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Golden Little Nugget (none / 0)

Please note my response to CG above.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:18:40 AM EST
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Re: A Golden Little Nugget (none / 0)

Jeeze...a black man is not 10 points ahead at this time in his campaign to be our President? ...
Given our history of Black Presidential candidates
crushing their white opponent a slim Obama lead such as this...http://www.pollster.com/
This late in the General Election..
pretty much dooms us, I agree.

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:25:45 AM EST

Re: A Golden Little Nugget (none / 0)

Oh yeah..
Denver is bracing for 50,000 PUMA's.
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:28:24 AM EST


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