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The Last Gasp of Realism in the Democratic nomination process

by MKyleM, Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:17:33 AM EST

(Totally speaking for myself here).

Man, I am so ready for this primary to be over. No doubt, I want an end and want it to be soon!!!

I couldn't pass on the latest posts, though, about Bill Clinton.

Obamabots seem to be going off the deep end here, in talking as if Bill Clinton were a stupid old man. I disagree. He knows exactly what he's doing. I think (and take it for what it is worth - as I take everyone elses' ramblings), that Mr. Bill is trying to force his wife onto the ticket. I find this to be perfectly acceptable, considering the extremely flawed caucuses and that Clinton has dominated the second half of the primary season (thus rendering, at best, an inconclusive verdict and clearly showing a certain element of buyers remorse amongst Dem. primary voters).

I don't know if any of you have ever actually worked on a campaign before. I'd like to know if you have. So many avid Obama supporters seem to, unfortunately, have a political tin ear; so much so, that I'd be surprised to find out that many of you have actually worked on a political campaign. Please let me (or ALL of us know) if you have.

To "slime" Bill for saying the "movie" thing is totally, completely intellectually dishonest of you. When someone says, "I've seen this movie before", they don't literally mean they've seen a specific movie before. It is a figure of speech.

Obama et al, according to any reasonable understanding of Bill's statement, clearly saw their lives flash before their eyes. For the last time (and, in my opinion, many many many months too late), they had a 'Trinity Church' incident one-too-many and finally decided it was time for Obama to publicly split from the church. They witnessed the horror of what this "new" pastor was saying in that highly publicized sermon - while at the same time they were (I'm sure) stunned by Obama's pathetic approval ratings among white women, which were very publicly shown to be a measly 43%.

Sorry if I break from your cult orthodoxy and dare speak my mind: Obama has a real problem and stands a gargantuan better chance of losing the general election than Hillary Clinton. Some of us, very much, depend on not having another rightwing lunatic on the Supreme Court and don't share your affinity, fantasy of annointing your cult leader as the Democratic nominee.

Hillary Clinton is dead in the water; yet, you people act as if you have the daylights scared out of you. You seem scared to death she might pull something off. And that's even though her most avid supporters are giving up hope as I write this.

Ya'll in the Obama Cult would do your cause a much greater service by following your cult leader and heaping praise on Hillary. He has a mighty force of paid political consultants and his message is very much market tested. The only way he can win is if Hillary Clinton gives him the go-ahead - and throws her support behind him.

I know that ya'll on the left-leaning blogs and those among the talking/bobbling heads in the mainstream media have convinced yourselves that Hillary Clinton is out there on that branch alone. You are so terribly, patheticlly wrong. There are almost 20 million people out there with her. 95% of whom are lifelong, avid Democrats. If she wants to take it to the convention and make it the dog fight (I think) it should be, then we are there with her.. Barack Hussein Obama is, according to the NYTimes, "Wheezing" across the finish line. Clearly, Clinton has won the second half of this primary and there is a clear case of buyers remorse among Democrats.

If she doesn't decide to pull a knife and if Obama has the 'audacity' to snubb her and not offer her VP, then good luck Democrats. Your rules have allowed a complete and total lemon to obtain the nomination. When he loses, I'm sure a great many of you will cry "Swift Boat!" But, the fault will lie with you and not Republicans. It will lie with you and your self-righteousness, with all of you who were so willing to walk the plank to fulfill your political fantacies.

For the life of me I cannot understand why rank-and-file Democrats are such p*ssies!?!?!?!? Can anyone enlighten me?

Tags: Obama, Clinton, Democratic nomination (all tags)

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is this snark? (2.00 / 5)

seriously,

is this snark?

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:21:52 AM EST

Tough (none / 0)

Overthrowing Obama at this point would lose more votes than any of his perceived problems could.

by libertyleft on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:21:53 AM EST

Re: The Last Gasp of Realism in the Democratic nom (1.50 / 4)

You mistake annoyance for fear.

by KyleJRM on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:21:54 AM EST

Are you CONCERNED? (2.00 / 3)

Tip jar

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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:22:22 AM EST

Ooh? (2.00 / 4)

I know that ya'll on the left-leaning blogs and those among the talking/bobbling heads in the mainstream media have convinced yourselves that Hillary Clinton is out there on that branch alone.

Ah. Welcome from RedState, Comrade! Here is an olive branch. Whether one hails from Free Republic or the Great Orange Satan, one can appreciate The Simpsons, no?

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:23:35 AM EST

sexist (2.00 / 6)

your last sentence is sexist.

last time I looked, "p*ssies" was sexist pejorative.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:24:07 AM EST

Re: The Last Gasp of Realism in the Democratic nom (2.00 / 6)

Can anyone enlighten me?

I doubt it.

by jdusek on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:24:45 AM EST

*snort* (2.00 / 1)

by libertyleft on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:32:13 AM EST
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Ah, (2.00 / 4)

Sorry if I break from your cult orthodoxy and dare speak my mind

Stopped reading right there. I'm sure you can figure out why.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:28:02 AM EST

GOP Troll (2.00 / 5)

Get lost jackass.

by elrod on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:30:12 AM EST

I spotted this (2.00 / 3)

"Barack Hussein Obama."

It is the calling card of a McBlogger.

Along with the RW phrasing of certain things.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:47:55 AM EST

Re: The Last Gasp of Realism in the Democratic nom (2.00 / 2)

Fee fi fo fum, I smell a troll at Mydd.com

by skywaker9 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:49:24 AM EST

Change is good (2.00 / 2)

If Obama wins the election in November, he and the Democrats will have two years before they'll have to face the next round of elections, they'll probably have control of both houses of Congress, and they're probably more united now ideologically than they've ever been.

Whatever bitterness or resentments some of Clinton's rank-and-file supporters might carry into the future, there's simply no reason to think that this will be shared by the Dems who now live and work in DC. They've been out of power for too long, there is no huge disagreement about what the federal government should do, and the hand they'll get to play is the sort of thing which only comes along once or twice in a lifetime.

So yes, I think the Dems will be okay. If they can win the election. Which, you're right, isn't certain. But if they lose, it will almost certainly be because the Dems beat themselves. The Dems seem to have a ten-point advantage over the Republicans this cycle, and the irony is we could still have a big hissy fit and win (though the bigger that is, of course, the less likely that will be).

I think it will stun people, though, how quickly the professionals in the party start to work together, if for no other reason than that they're hungry and can see the opportunity. That's part of why this primary contest has been so bitter, btw--Obama and Clinton could clearly see that the nomination this year was worth fighting for.

One more aspect of this race which, I think, hasn't yet sunk in. If Clinton had won she would have brought in a lot of the people who were part of her husband's administration. If Obama wins, there will be some reshuffling of the deck (his first objective, clearly, would be to broaden his level of support within the party, ie. bring in people who had worked for other campaigns, state governments, sympathetic special interests, academia, etc.). In other words, he'd do the same thing Bill Clinton did in '92.

This will be good for the Dems. They haven't had this sort of makeover for 16 years. Think we'll get a better combination of war horses and fresh faces (and the Dems might get less neurotic, they'd get over this belief that Bill Clinton was someone who had shamen-like powers, and only a Clinton can beat the Republlicans). I mean, c'mon. Won't use terms like "cult-like", but the Clintons were (and are) a bit overinvested in their own heroic myth.

by IncognitoErgoSum on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:01:05 AM EST

Were you around in 1992? The first 2 years were (1.00 / 1)

a disaster, so much so that the dems lost both houses.

You forget, in 1992, we were not at war and on the brink of a looming catastrophic economical crisis/breakdown. I truly believe that the economy is being propped up, just long enough, until Bush leaves office and that everything will collapse within 6 months of the new administration and guess who will be blamed for it?

Read every biography of our presidents and you will learn that during all their transition period, the first year is pure chaos because nobody knows what they are supposed to be doing and mostly nothing gets done because most cabinet members have not been sworn in yet.

Should a catastrophic economic breakdown materialize, Obama does not have the knowledge and expertise to cope with events of such magnitude. At least Clinton brings along Bill who has had experience in such matters and would be of great help/assistance to her!

I have worked on too many campaigns: local, state and federal over the years. I've also worked, as an assistant, on the canadian prime ministerial campaign of Pierre Trudeau while I was living in Montreal. Trudeaumania reminds me so much of Obamania in many ways and probably why I'm immune to it, it's all deja vu but more importantly I also remember the enormous let down when he didn't live up to his ideals of a "just society" and became the portray of devisiveness across Canada - 4 yrs later he was leading a minority government and had to seriously battle against "votes of no confidence" at every convention.

Most of the Obama true believers/idealists will be crushed, it's inevitable, thus won't be seen anywhere near a voting booth in the mid-term elections in two years, because it's not as glamorous and exciting as a presidential election.

The party's stupidity in siding with the candidate du jour, for a short present advantage/gain and alienating their core base of supporters in the process, will without a doubt, result in the loss of congress in 2 yrs, for god knows how long this time around, reveals to me how shortsighted they've become!

Saturday, they visibly broke the validity of their argument that every vote should be counted and will suffer the consequences at the voting booth either in November but definitely in 2 years!

by suzieg on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:49:53 AM EST
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Re: The Last Gasp of Realism in the Democratic nom (2.00 / 1)

"Clinton has dominated the second half of the primary season"

Sorry, but 38 contests were held before your 'second half.'

"a certain element of buyers remorse"

Actually, you have to buy something to have buyers remorse. There is no evidence that people who voted for Obama previously regret that choice.

"I don't know if any of you have ever actually worked on a campaign before."

I've worked on campaigns in 2002, 2004, 2006, and 2007.

"Sorry if I break from your cult orthodoxy"

Here you show yourself just to be an asshole.

"annointing your cult leader as the Democratic nominee."

Anointing is what Senator Clinton expected when she said it would be over by super Tuesday. Senator Obama has earned the nomination by winning the most delegates.

"Hillary Clinton is dead in the water; yet, you people act as if you have the daylights scared out of you."

Really?

"Clearly, Clinton has won the second half of this primary and there is a clear case of buyers remorse among Democrats."

Still wrong on both accounts

"Your rules have allowed a complete and total lemon to obtain the nomination."

Ah...the rules that say the person who wins the most delegates is the nominee. How terribly unfair...

"For the life of me I cannot understand why rank-and-file Democrats are such p*ssies!?!?!?!? Can anyone enlighten me?"

Democrats are pussies because they didn't choose your preferred candidate? Strong argument...

by WellstoneDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:04:03 AM EST

Past political campaigns. (2.00 / 1)

Yup. Worked on a congressional campaign. I co-wrote an op/ed piece about impeachment, published in the local papers and redistributed on mailing lists under a certain candidate's name. (And if you dig around, you can find out who, but I'm not going to Google-bomb this.)

You know, one persistent and annoying (but only slightly annoying) things about Clinton supporters on MyDD is that this belief that you are older and/or more experienced and/or less cynical and worldly than those of us that support Obama. Please. I am the Sultan of Cynicism and realism. And I support Obama, mainly because the only other Democratic candidate that was left in this election was unacceptable for her foreign policy.

Frankly, I don't worry much about whether any of the Clinton supporters on MyDD vote for Obama. There just aren't that many of you to make a hell of a lot of difference. Oh, there are many Clinton supporters nationwide, but not that many on this blog as a whole to make that big a difference, no matter how big all of our egos may be. I would never have voted for Hillary in the general, and I said that years ago on here and other forums. (And I've been here longer than just about everybody but Jerome, by the way.) So I can't begrudge any of you if you hate Obama, and I'm not going to try to coddle you into voting for him.

Vote for who you want to, guys. That's what I tell my eighty-seven year old mother, who is a Hillary supporter. I can argue politics just fine with her, but maybe that's a Jewish thing. We can strenuously argue politics within the family without pulling knives or sobbing for everybody to quit fighting.

One last thing. I despise both Clintons. I did before this election cycle began and I will after its over. I wish Obama good luck with his unity strategy, but it's his strategy, not mine.

by Dumbo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:39:32 AM EST

Re: Past political campaigns. (none / 0)

This is no Clinton supporters. Check the comments and the right wing framing.

by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:18:45 AM EST
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WTF (none / 0)

obamabots? cults?

why is this user not banned yet?

nice to see the standards sliding downwards yet again.

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by annatopia on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:18:22 AM EST

Really tough (none / 0)

to figure out how Clinton lost.